'BLACK LIST'

SaucyKath replied:

Not a bad idea [ExMember148] - some type of referencing would be a great idea.   Afterall as Managers we help our Consultants as much as possible - but its hard when you eventually find out that they just joined up with you to learn from your own experience and use all those helpful tips & ideas elsewhere very shortly down the track with another company! 

Kelly replied:

Some very good points have been made by both ladies here. Out of curiosity I mentioned this to my hubby who is a solicitor and he was a bit concerned that there could be privacy issues for example that could lead to numerous other problems.

So please be very careful if this path is taken because I'd miss the exchange of opinions with many of you.

Kelly replied:

Some very good points have been made by both ladies here. Out of curiosity I mentioned this to my hubby who is a solicitor and he was a bit concerned that there could be privacy issues for example that could lead to numerous other problems.

So please be very careful if this path is taken because I'd miss the exchange of opinions with many of you.

Hennypenny replied:

Hi,

I am unsure as to an official "black list" but I do think that making recruiting more of an interview process is definately the way to go.

This is something I am giving a lot of thought to at the moment.  I think it is VERY important to try and make sure that any future consultants that may start up are honest individuals and not someone that would tarnish a companys' reputaton by running off with a customers money and not supplying the product. I have heard of this happening. It seems unthinkable, but unfortunately there are quite a few untrustworthy people out there.

It is cetainly a dilemma, knowing who to trust. I for one for love to know of ways to combat this problem.

Regards,

Andrea.

marina replied:

I personally have never had a problem with this sort of thing,.

I will tell you how to combat the probem and it is only a suggestion.

Do not make it cheap to join up.  This way you will  only get the serious people joining you. in the business and the ones that really want to make it work.

You will not  have  your  time wasted by people who just want to use  your  knowledge and steal your ideas and  notes, manuals ,etc.

If you make it too cheap to join then you will get every Tom,  XXXX and Harry joining up ( so to speak)

ExMember148 replied:

We have implemented this now, and its a case of, sorry if you don't have the $xxx to join, unfortunately this is not the thing for you at the moment. 

The other thing is to ring referrals, we have found, some people will have their referrals polished.  But as soon as you ask, 'Would you employ xxxx?' or 'Have you found xxxx to be trustworthy and reliable with money?'  the referrals often soon bare all.  There is no privacy issue here, you have asked for a referral (or 2) - they have provided details.  Same as any interview process.

Other things - (lots of company's have contacted me re this issue) - providing: rent receipts, power bills, FULL resume and interview. 

It may all seem a bit much, but like Andrea said - it's your business name and reputation !!

marina replied:

HI Julie,

That is great you have made it harder to join money wise. If they really want to be part of your fabulous business they will find the $$$$$.

I have never called up for refereralls and never will. I do not think there is any  need to do that. Well not for me anyway. Never had any sort of money issues.

all the stock we sell is purchased up front with our own dollars.  When we sell we pay ourselves the commission and then buy new stock with the other half.

SaucyKath replied:

After recent events some may see why this wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Gail replied:

Hi guys,

I understand were your all coming from, but for little guys like me who are genuine & its not the money to pay up front that bothers me  "Its that I have to do so many parties in a short time that hinders me in joining most PP's"

I guess I think if I was to join something & it didnt work out its my money Im losing, I have joined 2 other companys before this one & I have heaps of stock here still from them both (My kits) I will use some of the stock & some use as presents whatever I do with it all, but they didnt suit me for what ever reason, it happens like any job.

Maybe there needs to be a contract on slander or something I dont know, but it takes time to find out what you want to do in life & we all need to try different things..

I have a job that takes up alot of my time & one of the things about PP that I like is what got me to join is its my business & I can do with it what I want (with in reason)

Its my hobby, ( My stress releif) I know for alot of people its their whole job..........

I guess what Im saying is there are some genuine people out there & its the bad apple's that is making it hard for people like me.

I really would like to join another PP as well as the one Im doing now, but its the pressure put on joining thats stopping me at the moment.

Im not sure if I explained this right, but some times little people are important.

Gail

Simone replied:

I wish I knew what you were all talking about??? Then I would understand the reasons for banning people....  

Melinda replied:

Simone, sometimes I think we're all better off not knowing that way you can't get into trouble!

Simone replied:

That is true, but a lot less interesting..

ExMember148 replied:

OK - black and white - without mentioning any names.

When you own a company and a consultant joins, sometimes the kits are given to them free (to pay off ) or at a very reduced rate.  There tends to be some consultants (bad apples if you will) that DO the wrong thing (never do the parties, or abscond with the kit etc) and in turn this affects everyone else.  Some companies really can't afford to have this happen to them again and again and again. 

Does this make sense now?

Sometimes its the little people (companies) that are being affected big time.  I, for one, can't afford to keep 'giving' away kits at such reduced rates.  And then I have rude consultants (oh yes you wouldn't believe it), abuse me for not giving them a kit or a chance to prove themselves.  I mean really, how many times can you get bitten. 

I am with Marina on this now, I only want the serious people.  Those willing to spend a little to make a lot.  I mean, for example, a $300 kit (put it on your credit card if you have to) can be paid off easily within 4 - 6 parties!!!  It's not rocket science. 

I have proven, my best consultants are the ones who have paid up front.  The 'gonnas' are still going to!!!

Simone replied:

I understand now, thank you for clearing that up.  How rude!!!!

SaucyKath replied:

     Quote:
 "Its that I have to do so many parties in a short time that hinders me in joining most PP's"

I really would like to join another PP as well as the one Im doing now, but its the pressure put on joining thats stopping me at the moment.





Oh Gail it sounds like you need to find  company it  motto such as "No Sales Targets, No Pressure, No Fuss!"     I have a feeling that lovely Sister-In-Law of yours would love to have a new recruit too!   She'd LOVE the FREE products that she would be rewarded with to name the least!   Want to know more feel free to PM or email me!  Kath xo

marina replied:

Good on ya [ExMember148] for taking the next move and changing the rules for your business.

You have a wonderful  business and are successful and  will continue to grow without a doubt.

When people want to join your business,  they will find the money if they  really want to do the business.

The good ol credit card is the best form of using other peoples money to make money.

  The kit costs come off the credit card and then the first couple of parties will pay off the credit card..........  

Gail replied:

 Keep trying Kath you never know one day. 

And to Melinda, trouble is my middle name......For me its just the depth Im in.

And Simone, Most people never know what Im talking about either.


Gail

WorkingMum replied:

What about the members on here - that join the site, post their ads for wanting to do a party swap, etc. etc. and then never return?     I've seen this a few times, you see their ad , think that sounds good so you PM them - and then they never bother to come back on to check their PMs anyway.   Time wasters!

I even heard the other day that someone asked if a consultant could do a party for them - the consultant replied, and then the potential hostess doesn't even have the courtesy to reply.

C'mon Members - if we can't at least give the fellow members proper courtesy here what hope is there!

wahops replied:

I dont think making a kit expensive will solve the problem.  I have been involved with many party plans over the years and am currently looking again.

I work full time but am looking for something that DOES NOT cost a fortune to join and are not expecting me to do upteen parties a month.

I live in a unit and am currently trying to save for a deposit for a house as we are living on top of each other and walking over the clutter because we have no room.  With the rising interest rates, petrol and everything else, I cannot manage to save anything from my wage and therefore considering going back to party plan.  (And dont particularly want to outlay either)

I work for a very big organization (2000+ staff) and know I can make a lot of sales just by selling at work,  and probably would not have to even rely on party quotas per month.   But so far everything I have seen has not interested me either because of the outlay or number of parties they are expecting.

The way I look at it was,  that if it was affordable and there was no pressure for the parties,  I would be earning this company quite a bit of money already.... 

So that could be something to consider too.  Anyway,  if there is a company out there that is affordable and does not care on the amount of parties per month,  then you can contact me and would be happy to check out the website/products etc.  LOL 

FM-Fragrances-Australia-World replied:

From the beginning of PP I have seen some smaller companies try to get off the ground, and do... And one I highly respect is Hushy - and I approve of a 300.00 kit, as it is hard to sell a dildo, without the thing vibrating in your hand, and the mark up at the point of [ExMember148] from where [ExMember148] would by, would by no means be the same as the plastic wobble company that makes the stuff.

That being said "Bling is the biggest rip off going" 600% for the manufacturer, what a joke, and yet the consultant gets what 50% if sucessfull, oh and yes all the downline blurb, again only if you make it.

Just wondering how many of you have more than $600.00 to purchase cheep bling to on sell at more than the bargin basment at china town...

Bling in my opinion is the biggest rip of yet, but lets face it, it has been proven that women are the major buyers in the world full stop, something must be said for the male marketeers who know how to dangle what looks to be a good idea at the time:)))

Richard